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Data Centers: Power, AI, and the Future of Infrastructure Construction

• Cumming Group • Season 2 • Episode 7

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In this episode of The Construction Insiders Podcast, host Jessica Busch sits down with Chris Adams, Managing Director and Data Center Lead, and Jason Tirri, Vice President of Project Management, to explore the evolving data center landscape. From the explosive growth of AI and cloud computing to the race for power and land in new U.S. markets, they unpack the drivers behind this modern-day infrastructure gold rush.

The trio discusses global trends, modular innovations, and how workforce challenges and power constraints are reshaping design and delivery. Whether you're a developer, investor, or planning stakeholder, this episode delivers sharp insight into where the sector is heading—and why agility, creativity, and early engagement are more critical than ever.

[00:00:00] Jessica Busch: This is the Construction Insiders Podcast. I'm Jessica Busch bringing you the newest trends in strategies in construction essential to anyone in the industry. 

[00:00:14] Jessica Busch: Welcome to the Construction Insiders Podcast. I'm your host, Jessica Bush, and today we're gonna go into a topic that several of our viewers and listeners have been asking for.

[00:00:23] Jessica Busch: We are gonna talk about data centers. So today, welcome gentlemen. We have Chris Adams and Jason Tirri. For those listeners that may not be as familiar with you guys and your histories and what you're working on as I am, could you give them a quick intro on who you are and what you're doing? 

[00:00:40] Chris Adams: Yeah, sounds good.

[00:00:41] Chris Adams: Uh, so my name's Chris Adams. I'm a managing director with Cumming Group out of the San Francisco office, and I'm our data center lead. 

[00:00:50] Jason Tirri: Uh, Jason Tirri. I've been with Cumming Group now going on eight years. Uh, I am, uh, working as a vice president of project management here in the Northeast. Uh, working across several different sectors and obviously now one of the more prevalent ones working with Chris and his teams, uh, in the data center world.

[00:01:06] Jessica Busch: So. Speaking about, um, them being hot. Why? I mean, we've been talking about data centers for years and years now, but why are they still hot? Um, why are we still talking about them? How did we get here? Why are we still here? 

[00:01:22] Chris Adams: Yeah. Uh, I'll, I'll jump in there. Uh, so data centers in the last probably five to 10 years has just been skyrocketing.

[00:01:32] Chris Adams: Um. The biggest push was cloud and pushing towards that. And that's been supercharged by the pandemic, by the need for inference, um, and now ai. Um, and with the need for ai, you have the need for new data centers, higher capacity, more density, and people are just trying to play catch up. So it's a bit of a technological race at the moment.

[00:01:57] Jason Tirri: Yeah. Yeah. We're seeing, you know, if you take a typical. Decent sized data center that could take one to two years to build.

[00:02:03] Jason Tirri: I mean, technologies and things could change three times in that span. So, uh, we're just encouraging a lot of our clients, as Chris said, to just be as flexible and adaptable as possible because you really, we really don't know where the end is yet. 

[00:02:15] Jessica Busch: Yeah. But a big portion of that right now seems to be this growth of AI and how to move forward in the build environment.

[00:02:27] Jessica Busch: With that looming and just every day, every minute changing and 

[00:02:32] Chris Adams: yeah, pretty much. 

[00:02:33] Jason Tirri: Yeah. 

[00:02:34] Jason Tirri: The traditional markets are no longer where people are looking. Um, you know, depending on what the needs are, we could be in any one of 6, 7, 8 different states at any given time. From Ohio to Idaho to Wyoming, Texas, uh, you know, in the, the traditional markets of new Jersey, Virginia, as Chris mentioned, are, are pretty much tapped mostly on, you know, the land side and the power side.

[00:02:58] Jessica Busch: So before jumping into geographies, I guess one of my questions too was going to be about the investment side of this. Mm-hmm. So, with the explosion of AI and having to continue to adapt and kind of be as nimble as absolutely possible and flexible as possible, where are these investments coming from right now in this space?

[00:03:19] Chris Adams: So you see it from a couple of different angles. Um, and it depends on sort of the market sector that you're looking at. Okay. Because you have the traditional hyperscalers, um, providing cloud comPUIte, doing it themselves, et cetera. They have the capital that doesn't tend to be, yeah, we are seeing a lot of private equity capital coming into the development space.

[00:03:42] Chris Adams: And then you also have traditional enterprise users of say. Financial institutions, healthcare, et cetera. Mm-hmm. Who are trying to keep their own data sovereignty, um, and adapt for ai. So they're now also getting creative on the financing side. Plus it is gold rush. Yeah. Everyone wants a piece of it. So you're seeing a lot of new people flooding to the market, um, and just trying to capitalize.

[00:04:09] Jason Tirri: Yeah, I would agree. We're seeing it from all different angles. I think, uh, on my side we've gotten a lot more involved. You know, Chris has been working with Hyperscalers for years. Um, as you mentioned, we're just seeing a lot more coming in on the private equity side. We have a lot of connections here in this area, uh, with, uh, many of those firms asking us really just for, uh, helping scaling and, and really assessing sites and helping them move forward.

[00:04:31] Jason Tirri: Uh. Because it is a race at this point. Mm-hmm. Uh, so, uh, the faster people move and the faster decisions can be made, the more they can get into it. Uh, but you also want to de-risk as well. Well, yeah. Faster. That's why we're getting de getting the phone calls. So, 

[00:04:43] Chris Adams: yeah. 

[00:04:45] Jessica Busch: You've, you mentioned a few states when we first, um, jumped into this topic.

[00:04:50] Jessica Busch: What are we focused on, um, as an industry and or what are people exploring? 

[00:04:55] Jason Tirri: I mean. Chris will probably touch upon some of the stuff he's looking at globally, just here in the States. It's really just a race to power, um, who, who can get, uh, the power requirements up and running as fast as possible, whether that be from a regulatory side or utility side.

[00:05:12] Jason Tirri: Um, it, it's really just like I said, you know, the race to, to. Whether that's through different types of electricity, natural gas, solar, we're seeing all different kinds of options. But really it's just, uh, like I said, power is, is first and foremost is the number one concern for all of these, uh, data centers going up now.

[00:05:30] Chris Adams: Okay. Yeah, and I think just to go back on the history of it, the original sort of criTirria of fiber capacity, poPUIlation. Is becoming more and more stretched. You are still seeing booms across certain cities or geographies. Uh, Phoenix is still going hot. Atlanta, Chicago, I feel like starting to get tapped out a little bit without Grove.

[00:05:51] Chris Adams: Um, but you are seeing new places pop up. Reno is a great example of that. Um, so yeah, we're are seen that across the board and then obviously Texas is. 

[00:06:01] Jason Tirri: And traditionally there was a latency component to it where things had to be closer, uh, 'cause of the fiber runs. But with the large language models coming on board where you're just training in a, in a bubble, um, it's becoming less and less of a concern.

[00:06:12] Jason Tirri: Uh, so the, uh, the proximity to, uh, downtowns or things like that are no, are, are not as important anymore as it used to be. 

[00:06:21] Jessica Busch: So they might not be as important for power reasons, but what are you guys seeing with these? You know, we're talking workforce and mm-hmm. Um, supply chain, kind of any of these edge location, how does that playing into this in terms of geography?

[00:06:35] Chris Adams: Honestly, like a traditional construction project, right? If you build it, they will come. We are, we're having just to adapt and recognize that there is a labor shortage and that people have to pay for it. There is a premium to working in a remote location. Um, but it's the same with. Equipment supply and the demand there, and people just being proactive, engaging, developing relationships.

[00:06:58] Chris Adams: Mm-hmm. And being aware that you have to engage early across the board. Well, and I 

[00:07:03] Jessica Busch: guess we've seen that in terms of like if we're talking about a case study, right? Like in Louisiana, didn't one of our clients have something going on there? And there was concern about the workforce and labor, but .

[00:07:12] Jason Tirri: Construction companies are getting uh, creative and smart. They're, they're having roving teams now, uh, you know, go across the country. There are multiple websites I know, uh, where electricians are telling where the hotspots are. So, uh, you know, they can, they can move, get their teams there, move, move with where the demand is. So, uh, like I said, there's.

[00:07:33] Jason Tirri: There's creativity going on in all different ways to, to get people what, uh, what they need. And, and, and quite frankly, it's also sparking, uh, a reinterest in the trades again. Uh, we're seeing, uh, you know, a lot of electrician, uh, trainings starting to pop back up and people getting excited about getting into, you know, that sector again.

[00:07:51] Jessica Busch: Hmm. That's interesting. I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't think that that would be kind of a, a domino effect of. In industry like this, booming. Yeah. 

[00:07:57] Jason Tirri: I mean, like Chris said, it's a gold rush.

[00:08:00] Jessica Busch: The gold rush. But that leads us back to power constraints. So around the globe. How is that being addressed? I mean, are we, are there different types of energy you've seen bloom? What? What's going on with that? 

[00:08:14] Chris Adams: Well, I think globally, everyone's treating it differently, right? Okay. Everyone has their own constraints, et cetera. Ireland basically had a moratorium for a long time Now, uh, Singapore's the same. Um, but once you get into the Nordics and they're using sustainability, um, you have su, sustainability is a topic, not a source.

[00:08:35] Chris Adams: Um. You have the US market where the grid is struggling, um, but you're finding bridging solutions. You're finding gas, you're finding bloom cells. You're like, there are ways around to play that catch up. But once again, it's the relationships of early engagement with the power utility companies and going from there.

[00:08:55] Chris Adams: Yeah. 

[00:08:56] Jason Tirri: And again, same thing with the workforce. People are getting creative. Yeah. Uh, instead of, you know, if you need a hundred meg site, you know, instead of trying to get that all at once, they'll phase, you know, 20 megs at a time so that they can get operations up and running and start generating revenue.

[00:09:08] Jason Tirri: Uh, Chris mentioned natural gas. We're starting to see a lot as a bridging solution to, to ultimately electricity. Um. Hydrogen is, is, is, you know, in the background, uh, being looked at, and I'm sure we're gonna get into nuclear at some point, which is 

[00:09:20] Jessica Busch: You just wait. 

[00:09:21] Jason Tirri: Yep. 

[00:09:23] Chris Adams: But, I suppose the flip side of it is, yes, the capacity mine is driving it, but it's also pushing people to other locations.

[00:09:29] Chris Adams: Right. So that was pushing people to renew, et cetera. You're pushing even. Country-wise, if you look at Europe, it was originally the German markets, Amsterdam, Paris, London, sort of that side of things. Um, now you're seeing a lot more in Spain, a lot more in Italy. Um, people are just being pushed to where capacity's available where.

[00:09:49] Chris Adams: Countries or states are wanting to bring in this sort of trade. Um, 'cause yeah. 

[00:09:56] Jessica Busch: It also brings a lot of money to the local community. 

[00:09:57] Jason Tirri: Sure, it does. 

[00:09:58] Jessica Busch: That is the benefit. 

[00:09:59] Chris Adams: It, it definitely does it. And I think the support of local communities, from what I've seen, is being critical from the hyper skill side, from even the development side of how they engage.

[00:10:09] Chris Adams: Because there was always a bit of hesitancy. 

[00:10:12] Jessica Busch: Well, there's the unknown, right? 

[00:10:14] Chris Adams: Yes. Um, but they're bringing in labor, they're bringing in money, and then once these things are actually built, they have high end jobs without the need for a mass headcount. So it actually works out for all. 

[00:10:27] Jason Tirri: But we do see nimbyism still in certain locations, uh, for whatever reason it may be. Um, and hence a lot of the spread to places where they're welcoming it. Like, 

[00:10:36] Jessica Busch: yeah, 

[00:10:36] Jason Tirri: like you said.

[00:10:37] Jessica Busch: So. SMRs. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You knew I was gonna go there. So SMRs uh, regulatory concerns, safety concerns. Um, how are they going to change kind of the hyperscale side of this? 

[00:10:54] Chris Adams: So it's getting a lot of press and to quite honest, I haven't seen it. Actually take place stateside yet, despite various, 

[00:11:02] Jessica Busch: you haven't seen it take place stateside yet. 

[00:11:04] Chris Adams: Yes. Um, I know one of our affiliates has got the first North America up in Ontario. Um, but I think the hot topic around SMRs is we don't have capacity. We, we do have to start thinking micro grades and how do we keep up with supply, um, and the environmental side of it, the low carbon solutions.

[00:11:27] Chris Adams: Mm-hmm. SMRS have been tested. They've been used in submarines in Paris, and, sorry, countries outside. Knock on mic. Um. It is one of these things that it seems to be the right solution, but the fear, the regulatory side of things has caused a delay on people adopting it. 

[00:11:47] Jessica Busch: So we're seeing this happen. You said Ontario, Paris, is that correct?

[00:11:51] Chris Adams: So for France traditionally uses a lot of nuclear. Um, we have just done one in Ontario. Okay. Um, what we are seeing is. People are very excited about it, especially in the data center spaces. People are wanting to take control of their own supply. However, the regulation, from what I gather, it's between five and 10 years away yet.

[00:12:10] Jessica Busch: Wow. 

[00:12:11] Chris Adams: So, yeah. 

[00:12:11] Jessica Busch: Which is a, a million lifetimes in this sector. 

[00:12:15] Jason Tirri: Yes. Yeah. 

[00:12:16] Jessica Busch: So, 

[00:12:17] Jason Tirri: but also we also see things where people PUIt guesses on things and all of a sudden they're accelerated because of the need for demand. Uh, and, and I would agree with Chris, that's what we're hearing, but it could be. Who, who knows, uh, you know, all it needs is the right person at the right time to understand the need for it.

[00:12:32] Jason Tirri: 'cause I think, I think you'll agree. It's inevitable, right? It's just a matter of when. 

[00:12:38] Chris Adams: Yeah. 

[00:12:39] Jessica Busch: So talking about demand, how sustainable is it in this sector? And you know, the likelihood of someone, the right place, the right time, the right brain power, the right idea coming up with something, um, you know, like these large language models that take a fraction of the power that.

[00:12:56] Jessica Busch: What do, what do we think about how rapid this growth is? 

[00:13:00] Jason Tirri: I don't think we're even at the halfway point. I mean, everyone's still gonna be using their phones. Everyone is still gonna be using ai. Uh, and I think that the, the adoption of things like AI is just getting started. So, um, I I don't see an end right now in terms of the growth.

[00:13:18] Jason Tirri: I don't know if you want to try to peg it. 

[00:13:20] Chris Adams: No, no. I, I don't, I know that, um. We have Nvidia coming out saying there's gonna be a trillion dollars of infrastructure investment just to sort of facilitate this, 

[00:13:30] Jessica Busch: a trillion dollars of 

[00:13:31] Chris Adams: investment 

[00:13:32] Jessica Busch: just to get Wow. 

[00:13:33] Chris Adams: Okay. Yeah. Um, but as you say, with more people adopting ai, with more creative startups coming into the scene mm-hmm.

[00:13:42] Chris Adams: Um, with robotics, with self-driving cars and the need for inference, I think it's just gonna continue to boom. 

[00:13:51] Jason Tirri: Yeah, yeah. You know, agents are starting to come into play. People are starting to piggyback off of the infrastructure. It's just, it, it, I think it's just getting started. 

[00:14:00] Jessica Busch: Just getting started. 

[00:14:00] Jason Tirri: Yeah.

[00:14:01] Jessica Busch: So talking about the gold rush and innovations, um, what innovations are there in terms of liquid, liquid cooling? Um, is that still providing the most effective for these high density comPUIting? What are you guys seeing on that type of the innovation front? 

[00:14:16] Chris Adams: Um, so. Liquid only's been around for a long time and it was always a question about how it was gonna get adopted or ...

[00:14:24] Chris Adams: Why? And the need for sort of this higher comPUIte, higher density has been the push. Mm-hmm. Um, there was, 

[00:14:33] Jessica Busch: so that's what you're saying is kind of PUIt it in action. 

[00:14:35] Chris Adams: Yeah. So you've went from traditional sort of air cooled facilities Yes. To hybrid solution where people are almost testing it and working on it to almost fully comPUIte, uh, fully liquid cooled solutions.

[00:14:47] Chris Adams: Um, I don't know what the next one's gonna be, uh, but yeah, at the moment we are seeing across the board, liquid cooling is here to stay. 

[00:14:57] Jason Tirri: In terms of innovation, I think we're, we see it a lot too on the power generation side where people are getting very creative in terms of, uh, utilizing natural resources.

[00:15:05] Jason Tirri: You know, we're looking at one at, uh, that has a, you know, a gas deposit underneath it. Instead of, instead of, you know, trying to tap the grid, they're trying to see how they can create their own micro grid, uh, in and of themselves. Um, you know, we're so, and, and I think innovation is, is at every level, um, you know, building maTirrials with, uh, you know.

[00:15:26] Jason Tirri: Low carbon, concrete, you know? 'cause I think sustainability is, is always a, in the back of everyone's mind with these things, right? So, um, every corner you can touch, uh, that makes it a little bit better at, you know, the whole as a whole, um, is, is being, you know, impacted. 

[00:15:44] Jessica Busch: So with PUIE metrics, um, what should stakeholders be looking at right now in regards to that?

[00:15:54] Jason Tirri: I'll let you touch that one. 

[00:15:56] Chris Adams: So I feel like let's take a step back rather than going into the individual metrics. Yeah. But to talk about the sustainability goals because 

[00:16:04] Jessica Busch: Okay. Right. 

[00:16:04] Chris Adams: It is like recognized that we all have to be more sustainable. Right. Commitments from hyperscalers to the developers on water, on carbon, et cetera.

[00:16:15] Chris Adams: And it is part of the design that's being considered. Okay. Um. Whether it is priority number one in a raised, uh, capacity and land, I, I won't say, but yeah, what I will say is we all are pushing forward to try and be better. Um, so what we've seen is yes, PUI definitely came down. There was more efficiency, et cetera.

[00:16:36] Chris Adams: Um, and then you have the side of say, water inclusive systems, et cetera. People are getting, creative designs are getting better. Mm-hmm. We are pushing forward. Mm-hmm. Um, but. Honestly, personally, I think sustainability's taking a little bit of a backseat. 

[00:16:51] Jessica Busch: Okay. 

[00:16:52] Chris Adams: Not that anyone will admit to it. 

[00:16:54] Jessica Busch: It might be taking a little bit of a backseat, but renewable energy and integration of it.

[00:16:59] Jessica Busch: Solar, air, cooling it. Has to be still somewhat important? 

[00:17:05] Chris Adams: Oh, no, it, it definitely is. Okay. Yeah, it's, there's commitments and goals being set that everyone's pushing towards. Yeah. 

[00:17:12] Jessica Busch: Okay. 

[00:17:12] Jason Tirri: Yeah, and, and, and like I said before, I think they're coming at it from all different angles. You know, sustainable doesn't just have to be on the cooling side.

[00:17:18] Jason Tirri: It could be on, you know, in many different ways from site location to building maTirrials to... 

[00:17:24] Chris Adams: and not only that, we're seeing that as we've advanced with technology. Renewables are becoming more viable. 

[00:17:32] Jason Tirri: Absolutely. Right. So the technology is getting better on solar. 

[00:17:35] Chris Adams: Yeah. Um, eight years ago you couldn't have had a secure supply from solar energy, but with battery solutions and storage, et cetera, you can smooth out that and it works.

[00:17:46] Jason Tirri: Wind is also, uh, being utilized, uh, you know, in the Midwest. So, uh, so yeah, again, there's all different ways to go about sustainability 

[00:17:55] Jessica Busch: and I'm assuming that can help ease these tensions between grid stability concerns, um, with the expansion of the, the power needs? 

[00:18:04] Jason Tirri: Yeah, absolutely. You know, we see it maybe not necessarily sometimes as a primary source, um, but you know, you know, data centers operate 24 7, so, uh, you know, you can use it to shed load.

[00:18:14] Jason Tirri: There's a lot of different ways you can go about it. Um, I don't think it's the primary solution right now from a power perspective, but it definitely is helping. 

[00:18:22] Jessica Busch: Okay. And so then beyond. In the SMR world, is there any emerging technologies you guys are kind of keeping your eyes on in strategies that might help in this next decade of the big energy needs?

[00:18:36] Chris Adams: Yeah, I, I think on the SMR side, I'm just trying to learn as much as possible right now. 

[00:18:39] Jessica Busch: Right. 

[00:18:39] Chris Adams: Okay. Um, I. We have an energy department that's teaching me a lot, 

[00:18:45] Jessica Busch: a really good energy department. Yeah. 

[00:18:47] Chris Adams: And obviously, uh, our Canadian counterparts have done that first one, so I'm trying to learn as much as I can and keeping an eye on some of the agreements being PUIt in place with these companies, 

[00:18:57] Jessica Busch: how they've handled it, 

[00:18:58] Chris Adams: and the data center companies so we can try and understand.

[00:19:01] Chris Adams: What's in the future? 

[00:19:02] Jessica Busch: Mm-hmm. 

[00:19:02] Chris Adams: Um, how we're gonna adapt the design, other considerations we need to think about as well. 

[00:19:08] Jessica Busch: Yeah. 

[00:19:09] Jason Tirri: And I think we touched upon it earlier too, just the other aspects of it. You know, the non-nuclear solutions where whether it's natural gas, hydrogen, you know, these things have all existed forever, but the technologies around them are getting better and better.

[00:19:20] Jessica Busch: Mm-hmm. So we've touched on design shifts and changes. Are there any other shifts in the industry you're seeing right now that we need to keep our eyes on? 

[00:19:31] Chris Adams: Um, well, I think the first one is gonna be the shifting business of the development space. Okay. Um, where it used to be co-located is providing multiple end user space.

[00:19:44] Chris Adams: It's almost like an overflow for the hyperscalers at the moment. You have a lot of the big developers doing the shell and Core and then doing a full fit-out for one client. Um, and we're supporting them. From both ends, how the build's going up, and then how they're managing that upstream as well. Okay. Um, which is interesting.

[00:20:02] Chris Adams: And then obviously modular is still a hot topic, um, from speed to market side of things, but also creativity. I know there's a couple of people getting, uh, adapting for, okay. If data centers had to move for edge spears for military users, et cetera. Yes. So we're seeing it from. Straight up construction, speed to market, high quality, reducing the, uh, the labor needs, um, on site from a health and safety aspect to how quality the build can be.

[00:20:36] Chris Adams: On the flip side, you also then have, okay, how creative do we have to be with modular? Okay. 

[00:20:41] Jessica Busch: Before I let you guys go, um, you know, we've talked a lot about these energy needs and workforce location. Um, what are some of the other challenges you guys are seeing in this space? Um, any hotspots you're keeping your eye on?

[00:20:56] Jessica Busch: Um, kinda what, what do you think for these stakeholders in this space really, really need to kind of be aware of or kinda start thinking about? 

[00:21:05] Jason Tirri: The supply chain I don't think is getting any better. Um, unfortunately just with. The amount of demand going on, especially with some of the larger hyperscalers doing, you know, a lot of building.

[00:21:18] Jason Tirri: Yeah. They are taking up a lot of the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the equipment needs 

[00:21:24] Jessica Busch: hyperscalers are being selfish ? With the workforce? 

[00:21:25] Jason Tirri: Listen, there's nothing wrong with that. Um, but, um, but yeah, listen, you know, you know, these year, year plus lead times that we're, that we're getting quoted and hearing are. Are really not coming down 

[00:21:38] Jessica Busch: year plus for the workforce, for?

[00:21:40] Jason Tirri: For generators, for air, you know, air, hand gear, switch gear, um, and then, yeah, the workforce we touched upon.

[00:21:46] Jason Tirri: But like I said, you know, I don't see supply chain. Easing in the near future.

[00:21:51] Chris Adams: No, and I think honestly, the workforce piece is, yeah, it's the one that, it's a huge part to, it doesn't get enough press because we're seeing it from providing labor to remote sites. We're also seeing a pool from other regions and other sectors.

[00:22:05] Chris Adams: Right. You have, oh, LA is a great example, right? The, the workforce required for that sort of... 

[00:22:11] Jessica Busch: the rebuild. 

[00:22:12] Chris Adams: Yeah. Um, but then you also have. Even on the vendor side and the owner side. Mm-hmm. The ability or the inability to staff. So that's where...

[00:22:22] Jessica Busch: on the vendor and owner side ? Everyone has the ability to staff.

[00:22:25] Chris Adams: Everyone's trying to scale as fast as possible to keep up with the demand. And it's not just the buildings, it's the actual intellectual capability. 

[00:22:32] Jason Tirri: Right? Yeah. We just look at the front end of it. You know, there's a whole operating side to a data center that we. Don't necessarily get involved in as much, but to Chris's point, you know, the, the owners are trying to find capable people of, you know, running data centers with 

[00:22:45] Jessica Busch: that have the knowledge base, 

[00:22:46] Jason Tirri: that have the knowledge base that, you know, if something goes wrong, they know how to address it.

[00:22:49] Jason Tirri: You know, the downtime's on on a lot of these are, you know, yeah. They're not very tolerant for any downtime. So, so to Chris's point, there's a whole other side of it too that's also having trouble 

[00:23:00] Chris Adams: even up front, like. If you think about it, some of our clients are the smartest people I've ever worked with.

[00:23:05] Chris Adams: Absolutely. But they don't actually have enough ours in the day to do it. So that's where they lean on the lux of ourselves, et cetera, to support them. 

[00:23:12] Jason Tirri: Yeah, I would agree with you. I mean, the people, uh, that we work with in the data center sector are the best in the business.

[00:23:19] Jessica Busch: Brilliant. Yes. 

[00:23:19] Jason Tirri: And uh, and we're not necessarily here to to say that, you know, we're smarter, we're just trying to match them and scale, help them scale. 

[00:23:26] Jessica Busch: Scale. 

[00:23:26] Jason Tirri: And they help at a pace that the industry is still going at. 

[00:23:29] Jessica Busch: Because you can't expect anyone to keep up with this pace? 

[00:23:32] Jason Tirri: No. 

[00:23:33] Jessica Busch: Yeah. Well, that might be a good way to end it. We just, uh, we'll keep our eye on it and I think we'll be meeting back here with the two of you very, uh, very soon.

[00:23:44] Jessica Busch: Because I tell you what, in our comments, it was asked for quite a bit to start. Going into this topic, so. 

[00:23:51] Jason Tirri: Happy, happy to do it. 

[00:23:52] Jessica Busch: Thank you. Thank you. Um, we'll talk soon and 

[00:23:55] Chris Adams: yeah, thanks for having us. Thank you for 

[00:23:56] Jessica Busch: bye guys. Thank you. 

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